Trump: Absolutely a Chance for "Major, Major War" With North Korea
April 29, 2017
Jason Ditz / AntiWar.com & Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky / Democracy Now!
The United States continues to send wildly conflicting signs on their intentions toward North Korea. Massive US "war games" in the region and Trump administration talk of military buildups around the Korean Peninsula have fueled concerns about the US attacking North Korea outright. Democracy Now!'s Amy Goodman speaks with world-renowned linguist and dissident Noam Chomsky and asks Chomsky about one of the most serious threats to the survival of the human species -- nuclear war.
Trump: Absolutely a Chance for
Major, Major War With North Korea
Jason Ditz / AntiWar.com
(April 28, 2017) -- The United States continues to send wildly conflicting signs on their intentions toward North Korea, with President Trump following up yesterday's assurances that no war would happen so long as the situation is "manageable" with a warning that "there is a chance that we could end up having a major, major conflict with North Korea. Absolutely."
Trump continued to suggest that China might be able to resolve the situation, saying that President Xi "certainly doesn't want to see turmoil and death." In the meantime, he said he "hopes" North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is rational, despite Secretary of State Rex Tillerson saying just the day prior that the US is confident Kim makes rational decisions.
Speaking of Tillerson, yesterday's talk of patience and keeping North Korea "manageable" for as long as possible appears to have been replaced today with calls to impose "painful" new measures on the country, while warning against showing patience because time will "run out."
Tillerson also gave a vague mention to the possibility of direct talks with North Korea, despite having previously declared the diplomacy a failure, though he also made clear that any talks were conditioned on a series of unspecified measures North Korea would have to concede to.
Even then, Tillerson downplayed the chances of North Korea agreeing to give up its nuclear program and stop all actions the US find objectionable, saying he believes the international community needs to impose a whole new round of diplomatic and economic sanctions against them.
With the past few weeks of rhetoric and military buildup around the Korean Peninsula already fueling concerns about the US attacking North Korea outright, all this talk of new measures, coupled with the insistence that military operation is still on the table, suggest those concerns aren't going away any time soon.
Like Obama, Trump Is Radically
Increasing the Danger of Nuclear War
Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky / Democracy Now!
This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.
AMY GOODMAN: On Monday, we were in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where I sat down at the First Parish Church in Cambridge with MIT professor, longtime dissident, world-renowned linguist, Noam Chomsky.
NOAM CHOMSKY: Huge specter that we're kind of trying to survive under, and that's nuclear war. That's a whole other story. Here, both the Obama administration and, increasingly, Trump are radically increasing that danger.
This -- the threat of the new developments is captured very effectively in the best, simple monitor of the state of the world, established at the beginning of the nuclear age by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. I'm sure you all know about this, but the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists regularly brings together a group of scientists, political analysts, other very serious people, to try to give some kind of estimate of what the situation of the world is.
The question is: How close are we to termination of the species? And they have a clock, the Doomsday Clock. When it hits midnight, we're finished. End of the human species and much else. And the question every year is: How far is the minute hand from midnight?
Well, at the beginning, in 1947, beginning of the nuclear age, it was placed at seven minutes to midnight. It's been moving up and back ever since. The closest it's come to midnight was 1953. 1953, the United States and Russia both exploded hydrogen bombs, which are extremely serious threat to survival. Intercontinental ballistic missiles were all being developed.
This, in fact, was the first serious threat to the security of the United States. There's an interesting story behind that, but I'll put it aside, unless there's time to talk about it. But then, it came to two minutes to midnight. And it's been moving up and back since.
Two years ago -- 2014, I think it was -- the analysts took into account for the first time something that had been ignored: the fact that the nuclear age -- the beginning of the nuclear age coincided with the beginning of a new geological epoch, the so-called Anthropocene.
There's been some debate about the epoch in which human activity is drastically affecting the general environment. There's been debate about its inception. But the World Geological Organization has recently determined that it's about the same time as the beginning of the nuclear age.
So we're in these two eras in which the possibility of human survival is very much at stake, and, with us, everything else, too, of course, all living -- most living things, which are already under very severe threat. Well, a couple of years ago -- I think it was 2014 -- the Bulletin began to take that into account and moved the minute hand up to three minutes to midnight, where it remained last year.
A couple of -- about a week into Trump's term, the clock was moved again, to two-and-a-half minutes to midnight. That's the closest it's been since 1953. And that means extermination of the species is very much an -- very much an open question. I don't want to say it's solely the impact of the Republican Party -- obviously, that's false -- but they certainly are in the lead in openly advocating and working for destruction of the human species.
I agree that's a very outrageous statement. So I therefore simply suggest that you take a look at the facts and see if it has any merit or if it just should be bitterly condemned. That's up to you. My view, the facts are pretty clear.
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